Elders, Deacons, Members
Transcript
All right. How are we doing this morning? My name is Chet. I'm one of the pastors here. We are in our Home Sweet Home series and we're talking about the church. And that's why that video is just a bunch of people, because the church is the people of God, the people rescued and saved and distinctly loved by Jesus.
And so we've just been spending some time walking through and saying, what should the church look like? How should the church act when it comes to leadership? What comes to mind? Like when you think of a leader, who do you think about? What do you think about what makes a leader a leader? Is it is it power?
Is that is that like the baseline thing that makes a leader a leader so they they can enforce whatever they say? So does that there was Stalin a leader because he could do what he wanted? Does that make Patton a leader just because he it has some power over military? Is the U.S. government, do they get to be leaders just because they can take you out and nobody would know? I mean, I don't want to be like a conspiracy theorist, you know, saying they can take you out. Nobody would know, but they can take you out.
Nobody would know. Like what what makes a leader a leader? Like, is it is it vision? Is it they can see a preferred future and they can articulate it? Well, is that JFK saying we're going to we're going to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade and bring him back safely? And I think I got that order, but he said something along those lines.
I wasn't there. But like, is that is it Martin Luther King Jr. And his I have a dream speech where he was able to articulate this is what this ought to look like. And he just has a vision for how this ought to be. And that's what makes him a leader. Is it is it authority?
Police officer, your bosses, are they just a leader because they have some authority over you? Is it influence that makes a leader a leader, that they have the ability to influence people, that they have the ability to to call more out of people? So maybe you had some coaches like this or a mentor, an uncle or even like a cousin that just kind of had influence over you and had the ability to to lead. Here's what I know about leadership. Culturally, we love and celebrate leadership. We try to define it a lot.
I think you can go to any bookstore and find racks of books about leadership and how to lead and the 10 things you need to do and the seven things you need to do and the 21 golden keys to it and the 15 magic nuggets of leadership. Like, I mean, you can go find any kind of book you want to find on leadership. We celebrate it. That's why there's been like seven Steve Jobs movies recently. There's another one coming out. Steve Jobs, The Untold Story.
Like there's just it's just we we know that we there's something special about leadership. We're also afraid of leaders and leadership. So we we have this celebration of it. And then we also have this kind of like reticence, this hesitancy. And I can prove that just by let's talk about Donald Trump for a minute. No, let's talk about Bernie Sanders.
We're going to talk about Bernie Sanders for a second. And the truth is, you can start talking about either one of those. You can start talking about Hillary and immediately you'll have some people who are just like, yes, if we could only have that person. Oh, my goodness, everything would be great. You have other people that as soon as you start talking about the other candidate, they get really terrified and they want to fight you. And they're like, they're going to ruin everything.
They're going to burn this down. It's going to be horrible. And it just depends on who you're having the conversation with, because the truth is we have some leadership is great. And at the exact same time, some. Oh, no, that would be terrible. And the reason why is this when leadership is good.
Like everything's actually like it's great. Good leadership is great. And when leadership is bad, it can be horrible. And so when it comes to us in our series, what we've been walking through, one of the things we're basically asking is what makes for a healthy church? What should a church look like? How should it be organized?
One of my goals, really, we have kind of a migratory church family in some ways. We've got college students that are here for a little while. And then they're going to be they always come tell me they're like, oh, I just got accepted to graduate school. And I'm like, in Columbia? And they're like, no, you know, like a like another city. And I'm like, have you thought about not going and just staying here?
Every every time this happens, Matt always comes to me. He's like, man, I don't know. I don't even know if they're supposed to. I think maybe they're supposed to stay here. And I have to ask Matt. I'm like, Matt, is there ever going to be one where you're like they're supposed to leave?
Like because it just seems like you like people and you always want them to stay. Kind of one of our goals in this series is that if you get your job transfers you or you move, that you would show up to a local church knowing what a local church ought to look like, that you would know how you ought to be the church in that city from the day your feet touches the feet. Your feet touch your touches the ground. I said it right. I just had to fix it. Feet touch the ground.
Boom. Boom. All right. That you would know what a church should look like and that we collectively would know what one looks like so that we could all be when we start drifting or start doing something stupid. Everyone here can go. I don't think that's what we're supposed to do.
And we could be like, good point. Thanks. And we could get back on track. Like that's one of our goals is for us to know what a church should look like. And so what we're going to look at today is that there should be leaders in the church. Leadership is good.
There's a lot of qualifications for it and kind of some guards around it because leadership can be bad. Dad. The Bible. And we're basically going to go through and just see what the Bible says. So one of the things that I appreciate church history and I appreciate I have some form of appreciation for denominations.
It's not a really great appreciation for denominations. I think they're good and they serve a purpose. But a lot of times when you get into discussions about how church is organized, you get into a lot of discussions about like, well, Methodists do this and Presbyterians do that and Baptists do this. And so here's our goal. Let's just see what the Bible says.
That's always been our goal in planning a church was to open this and say this we think falls in the bounds of what we're going for. Let's try to do that. What it basically says is that there are elders, deacons and members. And members is maybe not the way you're hearing that. And so we'll talk through that to maybe clarify that a little bit. But there are elders, deacons and members.
And we're going to walk through each of those and kind of quickly say what's the purpose and what are the characteristics and then how do we apply that here. So what's the purpose of this? What are the characteristics of that? And how do we apply that here? Hopefully it'll be helpful. So let's pray.
God, we pray that you would teach us from your word so that we might know what a healthy church looks like. We might understand what Christian leadership ought to look like. We have a good handle on what you have for us here and how we ought to organize as we try to be best suited for your mission in this city. We love you and we praise you in Jesus' name. Amen. In a minute we'll go to Ephesians 4.
But first I want to show us a verse in Acts chapter 20 to get started. In the Bible there are Greek words where we get our words for elder, bishop and pastor. And so maybe you've heard all of those. They're all Greek words. They basically are all always talking about the same role, same position in the church. Just kind of different what they're doing or what they're supposed to do.
And so we're going to refer to it as elders because that kind of is the office. We also call them pastors around here. I'm trying to get bishops started because that just sounds cool, but it's probably not going to work. But it's in the Bible. All right.
So here's one of the questions we have to ask is why. Why is there leadership in the church? What is it designed for? And this is Paul talking to the Ephesian elders and he calls them together and he's basically going to lay something out for him. But he says this so clearly here.
I think it's helpful for us as we start our time this morning. He says, pay careful attention to yourselves. So he's talking to the elders of the churches in Ephesus. That's who he's called together here in Acts chapter 20. Pay careful attention to yourselves. So that would be talking to the leaders of the church, the pastors of the churches.
He's saying, watch your heart, watch your own actions and watch each other. Pay careful attention to yourselves. And to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Overseer there, that's the word we get, I believe, bishop from. So what he says is when he talks about the flock, he's talking about the church, people of God.
So the Bible calls Jesus the great shepherd. It also calls him the good shepherd because he lays his life down for his sheep. His sheep are all the Christians who've been invited in based off of his work. And we talked about it when we were walking through 1 Peter, but it's actually really nice to be a sheep. Because when anything bad happens, you just get to look to the shepherd. Sheep aren't supposed to be good at stuff.
Sheep aren't really good at stuff. My grandparents are missionaries in Nigeria. They don't even get out of the way of cars. Like they need a shepherd. And so we get to be sheep. We get to be flock of God.
And what he says here when he's talking to these people who he's saying, pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock. He says, in which, meaning you elders are sheep. You pastors are sheep. You're in it. Not over which, in. So leaders in the church are sheep first.
Should be followers of Jesus first. In which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers to care for the church of God. Some versions are going to say to shepherd. That's the word we get pastor from. To care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. The reason there is leadership in the church is because Jesus loves the church.
Period. Period. The reason there are leaders in the church is because Jesus loves the church enough to purchase her with his own blood. And so he is designed to call through the Holy Spirit certain people to help shepherd, to help defend, because he loves the church. And he specifically multiple times in scripture says he's going to hold leaders in the church accountable for how they lead. Because he's specifically designed leaders to shepherd and care for his church.
One of the ways I know that God loves my son Archer is that he gave Archer parents. Like he specifically designed human babies are useless for a really, really long time. My dad asked me yesterday, he's like, is he talking yet? And it's like, no. And he doesn't even seem close. Like he's not even, he's not even barely accidentally saying words sometimes.
Like he's never been like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, piano, blah, blah, blah. Like it's never happened. He's bringing nothing to the table. God loves him. He gave him parents. One of the indications that God cares about his church is that he specifically designed for there to be some leadership.
I know that we've had some pushback. There's been really poorly handled leadership in the church with money. I mean, I've heard some stories that are pretty terrible. I heard of one pastor. They locked the doors and they said they were going to keep taking up offerings until they could buy his wife a car. And he'd say stuff like, it's not going to be some cheap car either.
It's going to be a good one. So if you'll, if you'll lock the doors real quick, I'm just kidding. There've been abuses. I've seen YouTube videos that just make me hurt inside as pastors have used the pulpit to bully people. And to, but so I know there's been some responses. And when I was going to plant a church, people would say, but yeah, like we're just, we're going to have a church, but there aren't going to be any leadership.
We're all going to just kind of be on the same level. We're all going to be just getting a circle. And it's like, no, no leadership's good. God bought the church with his blood and specifically has designed for some people to be held accountable for the leadership and the defense of the church. Okay. So Jesus loves the church.
Holy spirit has made some leaders in the church specifically for that purpose. But why, what are they supposed to do? And so we're going to go to Ephesians four. It'll be on page six 34. If you have a blue and white Bible, this is the primary responsibility of leaders in the church. And it doesn't say pastors here.
It just kind of covers giftings and leadership roles that are given to the church. And we're going to see what the primary role is. We're going to start in verse 11. And he gave, that's Jesus. So, and Jesus gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers. So he gave leadership, equipped these roles, these leaders to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ.
Okay. Just want to show you this real quick. Saints are all the people who've believed in Jesus. Every time you see the word saint in scripture, your little heart should go aflutter. Because you're a sinner. And you've been made a saint by Jesus.
That's worth celebrating. That's exciting. But what it's saying is that these leadership roles, these positions were given to equip saints, to equip the church, to equip all those who follow Jesus for the work of ministry. So you're a saint. You get to go marching in for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ. That's all Christians.
That's seeing more people come to know Jesus. That's equipping and helping other Christians, building up the body of Christ. Until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of fullness of Christ. Leadership exists in the church to equip the church to do the work of ministry. So sometimes pastors have been called ministers.
Like we need to get a minister. Christians are ministers. All of us as Christians are supposed to do the work of ministry. Pastors, elders are supposed to equip. Which means that I'm a pastor here, which means I get to be Alfred and you get to be Batman. I heard someone explain it that way recently and I thought that's so helpful.
That's what it is. I'm Alfred. You get to be Batman. All the Christians get to be Batman. A team of Batmans running around. Like that's what it is.
Like you know how they say be yourself unless you can be Batman then be Batman? You get to be Batman. Like that's how that works. Leadership in the church exists to equip. To see more leaders equipped. More leaders raised up.
More people able to go share their faith. To go build relationships with their neighbors. I've seen churches before where the pastor would retire and then the church would kind of sit still for like two years waiting on a new pastor to come in. And it's like no. Like if that happens here we've failed. Because our job was to equip.
You should be ready. If I got hit by a bus. It better be a big bus. That's what I got to say. No I'm just. If I got.
We should just keep on moving next week. Somebody get up and say Chet has been hit by a bus. Open your Bibles to Paige. Like that would just be. And y'all be like yep. Let's do this.
Like because we're designed to equip. That's one of the reasons why if we have elders or pastors that we're training. We wouldn't pay somebody. Have an elder. Have anybody be an elder paid or not paid. To just do a task.
Because elders are supposed to equip. So primarily the church has been given elders to equip and to defend. Because Jesus loves the church. And he wants the church to be on mission. He wants the church to be equipped for the mission. So.
A couple of things. That we just need to know about what the Bible says about eldership. First of all. They're always plural. Unless it's talking about a specific leader. So we believe that every church should have multiple elders.
We think that's the healthiest way to go about it. Not one senior person and people underneath them. We believe it should be a group of multiple leaders. Multiple leaders. Sometimes we've had people say. Because we're planning a church.
Like doesn't that slow things down? Like y'all got to agree on everything? The answer to that is yes. It does slow things down. And yes. We do have to agree on everything.
But we believe that the Holy Spirit's in us. And can give us unity. So that we can get on the same page. And we think it's biblical. So if one of us absolutely disagrees.
And says there's no way we can do this. We probably should fight that out. And we do. Look. We believe if we don't yell at each other every once in a while. We must not care.
We care a lot. So okay. Real quick. I'm going to run through this list. Of just where the scripture says. Things that elders.
That pastors should do. Pray and study scripture. That's Acts 6. 4. Rule and lead in the church. That's 1 Timothy 5.17.
And Hebrews 13.17. Manage in the church. That's 1 Timothy 3.4.5. Care for God's people. That's 1 Peter 5.2-5. Live their lives as an example.
That's Hebrews 13.7. Rightly use the authority given to them. That's Acts 20.28. That's what we just read. Devote themselves to teaching and preaching the Bible correctly. Ephesians 4.11.
1 Timothy 3.2. 1 Timothy 4.11-16. 2 Timothy 3.16. 4-5. Says that one a lot. Because of how much weight is given to the scriptures.
Pray for the sick. That's James 5.13-15. Teach sound doctrine and refute false teaching. That's Titus 1.9. Work hard. 1 Thessalonians 5.12.
Rightly use money and power. 1 Peter 5.1-3. Protect the church from false teachers. Acts 20.17-31. That's the whole section. Equip the church.
Ephesians 4.11-16. 2 Timothy 2.1-2. Develop and appoint new leaders and elders. Titus 1.5. Acts 14.23. 1 Timothy 4.14.
And 5.22. God's given elders to the church. Leaders to the church. To defend and equip the church. That's the point. Now.
That's kind of the purpose. Are there qualifications? Are there characteristics? Go to 1 Timothy. And we'll spend the rest of our time in 1 Timothy. That's actually not true.
But I have the other stuff. We'll show it on screen. Because it's just going to be a couple other verses we'll reference. Spend most of the rest of the time in 1 Timothy. 1 Timothy chapter 3. It's on page 643.
If you have a blue and white Bible. That we put on the row. If your Bible just happens to be blue and white. I can't guarantee what page this will be on. The saying is trustworthy. If anyone aspires to the office of overseer.
He desires a noble task. Some of you should want to be an elder. And that's good. If you want to be an elder. We have a pastor training process. I'd love to talk to you about that.
Some of you are being called to be elders. You should be. Therefore. An overseer. So what we're reading through.
Is he's going to give. What pastors should look like. What elders should look like. Characteristics. Qualifications. Therefore.
An overseer. Must be above reproach. The husband of one wife. That phrase in Greek means a one woman man. So you don't have to be married.
But you can't be chasing women. Multiple. All the time. Women. Pornography is an issue. Like.
That. That. If it was. Had to be married. That would exclude Paul. And Jesus.
Timothy. That would be a problem. So you don't have to be married. If you are married. One wife. Husband of one wife.
Or one woman man. Sober minded. Self controlled. Respectable. Hospitable. Able to teach.
We're going to come back to that one. Not a drunkard. Not violent. But gentle. Not quarrelsome. Not a lover of money.
He must manage his own household well. With all dignity. Keeping his children submissive. For someone does not know how to manage his own household. How will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert.
Or he may become puffed up with conceit. And fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover. He must be well thought of by outsiders. So that he may not fall into disgrace.
Into a snare of the devil. The only thing in that list. That was a skill. Was the ability to teach. Everything else was character. That's why our pastor and training process.
First of all. We believe that as a local church. We're supposed to equip the saints. So that we should be having more pastors. And church planters. And missionaries come out of our church.
We believe if that doesn't happen. We're not doing this correctly. Our pastor and training process. Is long. And we move slowly. One of the things we say.
Is that we want to move more slowly. Than we want to move. Like we want that to take longer. Than we'd like for it to take. Because it's character qualifications. That's why it bothers me.
With all the float your resume out. And go talk to some people. And give them a DVD of your preaching. And then you can go be their pastor. Creeps me out. That's scary.
Because I interview really well. Firm handshake. A lot of eye contact. Repeat people's names. I could be crazy. Some of you know.
I kind of am. Like there's. There's character. That's why we take very long time. When we first. One of the things we see in the church.
In the New Testament. Is that churches are started. And then later they have elders. When we first started. Matt and I were working together. To start this church plan.
But we were just leading. In community groups. We were not elders. We started in. March of 2013. Was our first group.
It was eight people. Together in my house. We did not officially say. Hey we. We want to put ourselves forward. As elders.
Until January. The following year. Raz Bradley. Many of y'all know him. He's been. Officially.
In pastor and training. Since January. Of 2015. And he's still not a pastor. Because we're taking it slow. Trying to get to know him.
It's just character qualifications. And here's the truth. If he was freaking out. About having to be a pastor. That would scare us. If he came to us.
And said. All right guys. Y'all need to give me. It's like. No. If he.
If he can't handle. Not being some kind of title. Or something. That's scary. So we just get to keep walking.
And every once in a while. We go and say. Hey man. Let's talk about this. He's like. Man.
I'm not in any hurry. At some point. You might just have to say. No. You're going to have to be a pastor now. Quit putting this off.
And being lazy. Like we may have to have that conversation. But we just take it slow. Because it's character qualifications. Which have to take time to see. You got to see people in different situations.
To learn that they're. A little bit crazy. Like you got to go to lunch with somebody. And see them. Have a terrible waitress. And see how they handle it.
Because we got to find out about character. You got to be around their family. You got to be around their kids. Okay. We believe that elders should be. There should be multiple elders.
That it's based way more off of character. Than ability. That's why we see so many pastors flame out. In the U.S. Is because we love ability. People's abilities outpace their character.
And that's a problem. We believe it's good. Healthy. Designed to defend. And equip the church. Okay.
Deacons. That word is another cognate. Kind of like the word baptism. It just means servant. So when we see it in scripture.
And it says deacon. Or if you see the word servant. That's the same word. So sometimes we don't know. If they're talking about. Like an official title.
Servant. Or just. A descriptive word. Servant. But in the church.
We have elders. Deacons. And members. Deacons. We don't know much about. But keep reading.
Because he's going to give some qualifications for them. Deacons likewise. Must be dignified. Not double tongued. Not addicted to much wine. Not greedy for dishonest gain.
They must hold the mystery of the faith. With a clear conscience. Let them also be tested first. Then let them serve as deacons. If they prove themselves blameless. Okay.
Beginning in verse 11. I want to explain this. And how we think about it. Their wives likewise. Must be dignified. And he begins to give qualifications.
For as our text reads. Their wives. The word in Greek. For woman. And for wife. Is the exact same word.
So whenever it's translated wife. Or it's translated woman. It's based only off of context. This has been traditionally translated as wife. But could just as easily.
And it fits in the sentence. Just as easily to be translated as women also. It makes sense to me. And as we have prayed over this. And looked at it. That that is actually referring to female deacons.
Not the wives of male deacons. And the reason being. Elder is. Talked about much more in scripture. And is a higher office in the church. And it does not give any qualifications.
For the wives of elders. So it seems odd. To have qualifications. For the wives of deacons. Even though it mentions wives. And families of elders.
And not give qualifications. For their wives. So what we believe. Is that deacons. Are lead servant roles in the church. That can be male or female.
We believe that elders. Is a male only office. We also firmly believe. That doesn't have anything to do. With intelligence or ability. We believe it has something to do.
With creation. And God's specific call. And design for masculinity. And for femininity. And we do believe. That elders should be males.
But even personal experience. Would say that doesn't. Not at all. Because we think men are smarter or better. Some of them. Some of them not so much.
And there have been a lot of churches. That have been led by females. That I think have done. A really good Job. So if you say.
Well I know a woman pastor. Who's great. I don't doubt it. I do believe. That it was designed. For that to be a male only role.
Just like you may know. A single mother. Who's crushing it. But biblically. They're designed. For there to be a father.
There in the home. Doing what fathers are supposed to do. So we believe that. Men are supposed to lead. In the church. And the family.
And we don't believe. That negates all leadership roles. For females. Everywhere else. But we do believe.
That deacons can be male or female. Because it's a lead servant role. The word just means servant. Ministry leaders. I'll tell you how that kind of works. Here in a second.
So their wives likewise. Must be dignified. We would read that as women. Likewise must be dignified. Not slanderers. But sober minded.
Faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband. Of one wife. So again. Males be one woman men. Manage their children.
And their households well. For those who serve well as deacons. Gain a good standing. For themselves. And also great confidence. In the faith.
That is in Christ Jesus. There is not a whole lot of instruction given for deacons. And really. It's people who lead in the church by serving. And they can kind of do anything. God is smart enough to give a lot of wiggle room there.
So we believe we can have a deacon who runs all of our social media. That they lead by serving there. And if that was in here. That would be weird. Later. There is going to be a thing called the internet.
And it is going to be helpful for sharing the gospel. And deacons can do that. Like this just doesn't spell everything out. And that is fine. We believe that elders have a specific role that hasn't changed. Defend and equip.
And that deacons can kind of do anything. Our group leaders are deacons. Our kid city leaders are deacons. Some of our worship leaders are deacons. We just hold them to those standards. Talk about it.
But we don't use that term a lot. I know that if you have grown up in some churches. That may really mess with your head. We can discuss that later. If you have not grown up in church. This is what the Bible says.
So let's rock on. For us. And for the church. Currently we have two elders. We have one pastor in training. We want to have more elders here.
I'm an elder. Matt's an elder. We have deacons who are group leaders. We have leaders in training. Who are training to be deacons. That's being tested first.
And then if they prove blameless. To get to keep doing it. We have deacons that lead in other aspects of our church. The rest of all of us. Every single person in this room. Should be a member.
Should belong to this church. And so I'm going to talk a little bit about what we mean by the word member. And how we're going to apply that here. So you can stay here. Or you can go to 1 Corinthians. We're only going to read two kind of basic passages on this.
And I'll have that on the screen. 1 Corinthians chapter 12. To just explain a little bit about how the church ought to work. So the church is all the people who belong to Jesus. All of us should be Christians. Should be Batman at different times.
Equipped to serve and do ministry. There are things I do just because I'm a Christian. Not because I'm a pastor. Things we all do because we're Christians. And then we all should belong to one another. And so here's kind of what I want us to see.
One of the I think misconceptions that people have is that in the New Testament church. They really didn't have any kind of formal who was in and who was out. Didn't know who was a part of their church and who wasn't. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. First of all throughout the New Testament. It says they added to their number.
It talks about putting people on rolls. I think we just assume because it was way back in the day. They didn't write stuff down. Talks about putting things on rolls. It talks about having a majority at one point when they do some church discipline. It talks about removing people from your number or removing people from your local congregation.
So it seems as if they knew who was in, who was around, who was a part of their church. And in their culture there was no benefit of being a part of a church unless you were a Christian. In our culture it's a little bit different. You want to run for office? You need to probably have been a part of a church. Some of that's changing which is good.
But culturally we're all kind of Christians around here even though people don't know what that word means. So here 1 Corinthians 12 verse 12. I just want to show us this. For just as the body is one. So physical body is what he's talking about.
And has many members. He's talking about all your body parts. And all the members of the body, though many, are one body. So it is with Christ. And then he goes into this long section about how that plays out. And we'll talk that through in just a second.
That applies to the whole earth-wide church. That we are one body in Christ. It specifically and particularly applies to our local church. So in hanging out with us this morning today is a missionary from Guatemala. His name is Mr. Rolando.
He's part of the body of Christ. Just getting to hang out with us today. He's a body of Christ with us in Guatemala. And I'm sorry if that made you uncomfortable. People might be looking for you now. So sorry about that.
He's part of the body of Christ. But in particular, Paul's writing this letter to a local church. And he's saying, you are one body together. And so here's what all of us ought to do. Every Christian everywhere ought to be a member. Just like you'd be a, your body is members of itself in a local church.
You should belong. It's the best way to put that. You should belong to a local church the same way that your hand belongs to your eye. Does that sound weird to say? That's what Paul says. He goes through this list and says, if a foot says, because I'm not a hand, I'm not a part of the body, that's not true.
If a hand says, because I'm not an eye, I'm not a part of the body, that's not true. And what he says is, no, everybody is a part of the body. Everybody belongs. And he ends it with this. Jump down to verse 27 and 26. 26 and 27 is how we'll read it because of how Numbers work.
If one member suffers, all suffer together. If one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. If one member suffers, all suffer together. If one member is honored, all rejoice together. You are a body of Christ and individually members of it.
You should have a group of people, if you are a Christian, that you belong to and that belong to you. All Christians should be a part of a body so that if one member suffers, you suffer. And if one is honored, you rejoice. That's how that's supposed to work. Now, does that take commitment? Yes.
Does that mean you have to actually know real humans? Yes. Do Americans like this? I don't think so. One more question. Do I care?
Not really. I don't like this sometimes. I think it's biblical. So I think it's good. I think it's something we ought to do. And here's what I've seen in churches that I think is a major problem.
We belong to a church as long as there's honoring and rejoicing. As soon as the suffering comes along, because of a bunch of local churches around here, we just go to another one. As soon as the difficulty comes along, we pack up and move. I don't know your specific situation. I don't know how that's played out in the past. But I know that in this passage, it says that we should belong to a group of people so that when they suffer, we suffer.
And so they are honored, we rejoice. You should belong to a group of people that when they hurt, you hurt with them. And that takes energy and that takes effort and that takes sweat and pain. But it's what we're supposed to do. So every Christian should be equipped and doing the works of ministry.
Every Christian should belong to a group of people. I don't know if that has to be here, but it should be somewhere if you're a Christian. So when Christians say, it's just me and Jesus, it's like you haven't been talking to him lately because he disagrees with you. You should be a part of a local group where you belong to a body where you suffer alongside of them. That also means that if the church suffers globally, we should suffer with them. But it does mean locally as well.
All right, Hebrews 13, 17. One more thing that I think applies to all of us as we are Christians. And again, kind of addressing this. First of all, the New Testament is written to the church. So we covered a good bit of ground on what the Bible says about elders because it says a good bit about elders in different places.
The rest of the New Testament, though, is written to the church. It's written to Christians and how Christians ought to organize and act and be. And so I'm just covering a few things as it comes to the organization of belonging to a local church as we talk through this. But really, the whole New Testament is written to members, to saints, to Christians. Hebrews 13, verse 17. Verse 17.
Verse 17. Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. A couple of quick observations from this. He starts off with obey your leaders. If you are a Christian, you should know who those are.
You should have leaders that belong to you. They're yours. That doesn't mean all Christian authors. It doesn't mean anybody you see on the TV that's holding a Bible. It means local leaders that you know. You should have local people that are your leaders, that you belong to and that belong to you.
That's healthy for a Christian. Okay, now he says some stuff though about them that I personally don't really like. I wish he had said it differently and I'll explain that in a second. Obey your leaders and submit to them. When I was not a pastor, I actually found that passage pretty nice. I thought it was pretty refreshing and I'll explain why.
When I was at Midtown Fellowship, I did a year-long residency in Midtown before we planted this church. Showed up. I thought I was going to pretty much disagree with most of what they did. Learned some things from them and then we would go plant. When I showed up, I thought everything they did was great for the most part. Like it was, they were trying to be the church and I loved it.
Love those guys. They're over in Columbia. If you get mad at us, go hop in with them. They're great. But you probably, never mind.
There's issues with what I just said, but whatever. If we get mad at you, we'll send you to them. After a while, I realized that there was nine pastors that they loved Jesus, that they loved his church, that they loved his word. And so what I decided was these are my leaders and I submit to them. And here's why. At some point, I was going to go to them and say, hey guys, I think I'm ready to plant.
Because they were doing training with me. I was going to say, hey, I think I'm ready to go. I think I'm ready. Matt and I are going to go. We're going to go start this church. And here's what I knew would happen if I hadn't predetermined in my brain that those were my leaders and I was submitting to them.
If they said, man, we think you're ready. We think you're ready. We co-sign on this. We think Jesus is at work here. We think you should go. My response would have been, man.
These guys love Jesus. And they're smart. And the gods at work in them. And they're great. And I trust them. And I submit to them.
And I follow them. And if they'd have looked at me and said, bro, you don't need to do this. You're not ready. This is a terrible idea. We're going to show up at y'all's first gatherings and tell people to go home. Don't do this.
My response would have been, what did these idiots know? They know nothing. I'm a genius. They are morons. I love Jesus. They do not.
I'm reading the Bibles correctly. They are not. Like, I would have had this immediate prideful response to them. But what I was able to do was beforehand just said, I trust these guys because I've seen Jesus at work in them. I've seen how they study the scriptures. I see how they care.
I see how there's a pattern of following Christ here. And I'm going to obey and submit to them. And what that set me free from my own sinful reaction. And it gave me the ability to win. If I stood before God and he said, hey, you were supposed to start this church here and you didn't, I would have said yes. But Hebrews 13, 17 says for me to obey my leaders.
And that's what I was doing. And then he would say, well done, Bible reader slash follower. And then he would go talk to them. That's how I think that would go down. Because I would just be saying, I was just trying to follow the Bible. I was trying to do what it said, which was I'm submitting to them.
Now I'm a pastor. And that verse is terrifying. Because he says, he gives a reason why you should follow your leadership. Obey your leaders, submit to them for they are keeping watch over your souls. As those who will have to give an account. I don't know what that's going to look like.
I don't know if we're going to go group by group. I don't know if we're going to go year by year, name by name. I know that I will stand before the king of the universe and give an account for souls. And I wish now that that verse was framed a little differently. This is one of the reasons why we have multiple pastors here. Because on that day, I want to have a group of men standing beside me that say, we studied together.
We worked together. We tried together. We tried to figure out who was there. Who was under our leadership that you'd given us to shepherd and to care for. And we worked really hard. This is why I want a group of men who will stand toe to toe with me and shout me down.
Raz Bradley, who's in our pastor and training process, went to work. Left work. Came to an office. We argued for two and a half hours about membership for our church and what that should look like. And then he went to a kickball game because he's trying to build relationships with people who love Jesus, to help people love Jesus. And I texted him when I got home and I said, thank you so much for caring enough to come argue with me after work.
And he responded any day. Matt Freeman worked all day, went to Glen Forest to do golf practice, and then came over there because he knew we'd been arguing for two hours and wanted to come help us resolve that. He didn't help, but he showed up. Christians, you should have a place where you get to be equipped, where you belong to a group of people who belong to you so that when they're honored, you're honored. And you have something to celebrate. And when they suffer, you get right in and suffer with them.
And you should have leaders that you follow and that you challenge and that you love enough that when you think they're wrong, you don't leave. You tell them. You say, hey, I'm reading the scriptures. I've been talking to the other people in our group. You're going to be held accountable for this. And I think you're wrong.
That you care about enough that they're your leaders so that you come to them and talk to them. That doesn't have to be here. I know what goes on here. I believe this is a good place for it to be. But it's got to be somewhere.
All of us need to be doing the work of ministry as Batman. We need to belong to a group of people. And we need to belong to some leaders. We would be confused and have done this poorly if we didn't make it to Jesus. Matthew 20. He is the example of leadership for us.
He shows us what leadership in the church ought to look like. This is one of my favorite passages because I think it's just so clear. Matthew 20. If you want to go there in your Bibles, it's page 535. We'll have it on the screen. I love this because James and John have their mom come ask Jesus a question.
Happy Mother's Day. You knew it was going to show up. No, you didn't. But it's here. James and John go to their mom. And they're like, Mom, will you ask Jesus something for us?
So their mom comes and asks Jesus if they can be sitting at his right and left hand in his glory. They don't really know what they're asking for. I don't think she really knows what she's asking for. But they ask because they thought he was going to be a king. And they wanted to be right and left hand men. And I hope, the Bible doesn't say this, but I hope that the rest of the disciples never let them live that down.
So they'd be like, where'd Jesus go? And Peter would look at them and be like, I don't know why you have your mom asking. I just hope that happens every day. Like it was brought up just once a day. Not to be annoying, but once a day to remind them you had to have your mom come talk to Jesus for you. But they come ask Jesus, can we be in charge over everybody, basically.
And they have their mom do it because they figure he'll yell at us, but he won't yell at you. This is what Jesus says in response to them. He calls them all together because the other ten were mad, which makes sense. And when the ten heard it, they were indignant at the brothers. But Jesus called them to him and said, you know that the rulers of the Gentiles, that's the rest of the people around them, not the Jews, but the Gentiles, the non-Jews.
Lord it over them and their great ones exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant. And whoever would be first among you must be your slave. Even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many. The King of the universe left his throne to go to a cross.
To be a servant and a slave for his people. And that is the model for Christian leadership. One of the rules we have here is you don't get to lead anything unless you can take the trash out. If you can't help move chairs, if you can't do any Job at all, if you can't just do whatever anybody asks of you, you don't get to lead anything because you don't realize what Christian leadership is. It seems like you've risen up. You've actually gone further down.
You went from servant to slave and from slavery to death. There should only be a handful of elders in a local church because there should only be a handful of people who are serving in a way to equip and defend the church. And everybody else should be on mission as missionaries to their city and to their neighbors and to their co-workers. God has designed his church to do the work of the ministry, to do the work of reconciliation, to be on mission. And there should only be a handful of people that are working to serve and equip them and defend them. There should be a handful of deacons who are helping lead ministries and serve in those capacities because the whole church is supposed to be at work.
But all of us, all Christian leadership is service, slavery, and death because Jesus, the son of the living God, came and died on our behalf that we might be free and that we might have life and we might have hope. And any Christian leader who thinks, I'm rising up the ladder, I'm going to make a name for myself, I'm going to get some glory, has completely forgotten and lost what the gospel is about, which is that the king of glory became our shame and our guilt and was crushed on our behalf so that we could just have hope and life and joy and peace and be a family. The band is going to come back up. We're going to sing and make much of Jesus.
I would encourage you to find a church where you can belong, to a group of people that when they get a promotion, you feel like you got promoted. When something good happens in their life, you're excited. When they hurt, you hurt. When they lose sleep, you lose sleep. I'd encourage you to find a church where you can have leaders that you trust and submit to and follow. That you know, love and follow Jesus.
And I pray for our church that we would be filled with great Christians. Because Jesus says to be great among us is to be a servant and a slave to all. And I pray that this room is filled with great Christians. Who know that their role is to serve and to slave away on the behalf of others. Let's pray.
God, I pray that you'd help us to be a healthy church. A healthy group of your people on earth. That we would love one another. That we would be committed to one another. That we would belong to one another. As your people.
Help us to lead well by serving well. By being slaves to you and to one another. May we die to ourselves for your name and for your glory. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.